Last night I had an excellent conversation with a longtime friend and ex-bandmate about hardware synthesizers... and all kinds of other music related shit! The conversation really got the creative juices flowing, and I was highly inspired!! That is one thing I've certainly missed during this whole period of self-isolation, and social-distancing... the conversations about music, music hardware, and all kinds of other music related shit... stuff that is really inspiring! It's sooo, refreshing to have those kind of conversations again! It got me into thinking about my own synth, and the things I want to do musically with it. There are sooo many ways I'm currently not utilizing my synths... and there are certainly ways of using it that I want to utilize in the future... just for the simple fact that it would be a great challenge to see what I can do with those features! Lot's of inpiration, and lot's of future plans and ideas!
Well, lots of shit going on right now, lots of inspiration... I happened upon a replay of Daniel Graves' (Aesthetic Perfection) latest YouTube live stream "Watch Me Work" for October 2020 a couple of days ago, and basically it was a live stream of him working on possible future music, and out of all honesty, I found it inspiring... I think it was really just seeing a part of his process and how he works on music and shit... Normally these things are reserved for his Patreon members, but he decided to do one for folks not on his Patreon.
It was really interesting, and as I stated above I did find it highly inspirational, he was playing with a new synth that didn't work exactly as expected, and he was forced to find work-around's to get the sound that he wanted out of it... it kinda reminded me of the early days of when I was just starting in music and how there was a lot of experimenting in the process, just trying to find my voice and sound... and how I had to find work-around's for what I was doing, in order to write my first songs! Not that he was just starting out, I mean Daniel has been doing this for many years now, but it did remind me of that... it's also inspired me in how I'm currently utilizing my main synthesizer... and the possibilities of what I can do with it in the future...
...Yeah there's a lot of inspiration right now!
Here's one of Aesthetic Perfection's songs that I'm digging right now:
Hope you folks are doing well!
Stay safe, stay positive!!
Shayne "Daemon_w60" Lawrence | Twitch | Trippingonacable Records
Yep, today's session (June 9/2020) was excellent! Very productive, got everything done at around the 8:30pm mark! Today's track was, once again a lot of fun to make! This whole process has been a lot of fun, and I'm really enjoying the new things I'm learning, and new ways I'm doing things!
It's very exciting, and I will say this again I love working with my synth pretty much exclusively for this challenge! Moving forward... for future albums, I'm exclusively gonna be using my hardware synths (Yamaha EX7, and DX100) for all sound creation, outside of guitars!
I will say this again too, even though I don't really have the luxury of time, and once I'm done writing one album, I should move on to the next... I will say, I'm glad I did take the time away from writing/recording for the length that I did (10ish months). The sound design and programming is vastly different than what I had initially envisioned, and I think this album will be better for it! I will also say, even though I don't like the isolation, it has truly been an inspiration! After a certain point of this period of self-isolation, my ideas and thoughts around what I was gonna do for this has changed... and like I said, I think this is better because of it!
I've also got a lot of new ideas for performance aspects and the live show and all that kind of stuff! When this challenge comes to a close, the way I do things musically, will be vastly different from what I normally would have done things! The one thing that is sticking in my mind? Get the ideas out, as they come out!! Personally, I feel the songs are better off this way... and is waaaay more natural, than sitting for hours deliberating on things that ultimately don't matter in the communication of the song!
Sooo much inspiration out there! So much to do, so much to learn! Loving every minute of this!!
Well, another productive evening in the studio!! Once again knocked off another song! Making a lot of progress these days!! The song for this session (June 8/2020) was taken from concept to completion today! Once again, the vocals were the last thing to do, though this time around, the session was coming to a close around 8:20pm... so it wasn't quite the end of the night, but did vocals, and song done!!
So far this challenge has been a lot of fun!! I'm getting things done a lot quicker than I normally would, which ultimately is making me think that, my normal process, does not need to be as long and drawn out as it is, at least for some of the stuff I do! I have made it a goal to write at least one song per day during this challenge... it really forces me to really only utilize the tracks and not get too fuckin detailed with shit. A lot of the tracks I've written out of this process have been very minimal, I think the highest track count I got to for a song was near 18 tracks (I think)... The other thing is, is after a track is considered finished, I'm not going back to them to listen to what I have done, I just get to a point, where I feel the track is done, and finish things up, and then move onto the next song! I'm also writing the songs one at a time, typically in the past when I was working on an album, I would start a track, and work on it, till I get to a point where I have no new ideas, so I set the track aside, start a new one... and kinda work that way, and then when it felt right, I would go back to the unfinished tracks and eventually finish them. The process sometimes took weeks or months, sometimes there was a lot of listening too, but now that I'm trying to do a song a day... I'm just focusing on one song at a time, trying to get my ideas, as soon as they come out... which is helping me finish the tracks, cause I'm not really messing around all that much, everything is more focused, and I've found when getting my ideas out in this fashion, it is actually a lot easier to finish songs!!
I will also say here, I'm not recording any (new) guitars on my own, and actually, I'm using royalty free and creative commons samples for various guitar parts, as well as stuff that I recorded a long time ago, in the past that I've never used before (thank fuckin christ I built a guitar sample bank, with a bunch of stuff that I wasn't sure what to do with)!
This process has been a lot of fun!! The challenge so far has been very eye opening, in what I'm capable of, and there has been a lot of learning (I know I've already mentioned this, but... I'm just having a lot of fun, and when this challenge is done, I can't wait to share this stuff with you)!! Ultimately, this challenge will end eventually, and I'll have to figure out what the next challenge is (already have an idea, but I'll get into that another time)!
Ye, today (June 7/2020) was a very productive day, have knocked off two songs! Today's session was full of happy accidents. I was initially gonna create a neat little arpeggiated sequence, but as I was playing, this recorded bit started playing in the background, but at a higher speed and pitch... when listening to it, in context of the song, it worked with the song, and fit exactly what I was going for! Sometimes these little happy accidents happen, and the results end up being amazing!
I will say, the first song I worked on today... I was intentionally going in one direction, but as the song started to take shape, it turned into something entirely different! I'm loving this! I'm loving this challenge, I'm loving the output and stuff that is being written, the way it's coming out, and all the learning in the process! I'm well ahead of where I want to be!!
Sooo, much inspiration out there!
I will say this again folks, I know a lot of you typically don't do something creative, unless you feel inspired, but I will be honest, sometimes you just have to sit down and pick up the pen/brush/pencil, play guitar/keys/drums what have you, and put it on paper/canvas, record/write etc... it may not look/sound perfect, it may be crap, but at least you are doing something, and sometimes that's all it takes! I know for myself, as of lately, I've been doing something creative every day, and sometimes I don't feel like it, but if you wait until you feel like it, it may never happen or get done. You gotta do these things despite your feelings! I know I've found, after years of doing this consistently (at least once a week), the ideas come out much more quickly, and easily, and sometimes it's inspiration, and sometimes it's just me going through the motions. The last little bit I'm gonna say here, I know some of you folks have heard me say this before, but I will say it again, ultimately life is very short, if we are lucky we live to 100... 100 years isn't actually all that long... think about the last 10 years, how quickly did that go by? I think you are getting what I'm saying!
(Achievement unlocked, part one! Lightshift... dark!)
Ye, so today (June 6th/2020), I achieved a writing and production goal in my music endeavor. Today I took 2 songs from concept to completion, and even started a third song today! I am extremely happy with this achievement! I wasn't sure I was gonna be able to do it, but I did!
Once again, I will say, this entire challenge and process has been very fun, very inspiring, and there is a lot of learning that I'm doing in the process! The way this is rolling, I'm loving this!! I will say it again, this whole process reminds me a little bit of the early Twitch days when I was using Tracker software to write my first album (as well as my second)! This is all coming out quickly, and I'm getting it down as it comes out, it's lending to intuitive songwriting, and I truly understand why certain music producers do things in certain ways!
I've kind of gotten into a rhythm now, and we'll see what tomorrow brings, I would love to get out another 2 songs tomorrow... we'll see...
(Is there light?.. Photo courtesy of Natalie Torosian)
We are officially over the halfway point now, in the songs and tracklist... I wanted to do 15 songs, I'm now sitting at 8 that are done! These tracks have been coming out every 1.5(ish) days, so I'm not at the point I want to be (I would like to do 1 per day), but I am waaay the fuck ahead of where I wanted to be initially, so for me that's a win!
Today's session, was very intuitive, very quick... things came out quite quickly, I didn't over-complicate the song... I got down what needed to get down, and as of lately, it seems as though... the last thing I do, is vocals, just before 9pm (9pm is the cut-off point for doing vocals, as I live in an apartment)... for some reason lately... it's usually 10 - 15 minutes before 9pm, and I record the vocals, in one take! Not sure why it's happening that way, but for some reason that is the way it's happening! Then I'll go in and quickly edit them, put them through an Effects Bus, tweak the effects to taste... and song done! Obviously, if I need to, I'll carry things out a little longer in the tweaking stage, but generally 9pm has been the time I finish the song and get vocals!
So, what is the overall feeling of these sessions?
I'm loving every minute of this! I like the workflow, I love working with my synth a lot! Outside of a couple of things, all the sounds are generated by my synthesizer, and yeah... loving working with my synth in this capacity! It's really helping me to get out ideas quicker, and understand the internal architecture of my synthesizer and how it works! Initially, when I started this challenge, I was worried that I may not be able to meet the challenge (I hadn't actually touched my synth in like 10 months, so I was worried that I would be fumbling around trying to figure shit out, when I should be productive), but after working with my synth a bit and re-familiarizing myself with the way it works... it wasn't such a struggle to pick it up and work with it in the capacity that I am!
This has been the most fun I've had with it, since I got the thing... but I'll get into that another time! Loving this shit!!
(Slump, but it picked up... inspiration is out there!!)
Ye, the start of the last couple sessions were a little tough (June 2 & 3, 2020). After the last sessions, I wasn't sure I would be able to keep up the same mindset, and keep the juices flowing. I spent June 2nd, writing lyrics from scratch, got them into some kind of complete state, then June 3rd I started and completed the track those lyrics were meant for... and then tweaked the lyrics a little more, and at the end of the session (around 8:50pm) I recorded the vocals and track done! I feel good again! Even though I was a little nervous about starting and finishing this track, it got done!!
A part of this process, I was meant to write guitar for the various tracks that I'm working on, but my guitar decided to not work anymore, so to replace it, I've started using free guitar samples off the net and such (Royalty free, as well as 0 Attibution creative commons stuff), it's been interesting, cause I'm manipulating and slicing the samples to fit into these songs (I will say it's a lot of work too). I think the way I've done this... well... I'll let you decide when you hear this ;)
Note: I really do gotta stay away from the alcohol these days, I felt like shit for two days after having a couple of drinks during the Terminus: Isolation feed. So, it put me off for those two days, and I felt I really couldn't write or do a decent vocal take. I mean, I did write, but my energy levels weren't there... of course this whole situation would be different, if there wasn't this isolation shit going on (as I wouldn't feel disconnected, and I wouldn't be ruminating on things as much), but I guess it is what it is!
(Today was almost not the day... but inspiration prevails, and just getting the job fuckin done!!)
Ye... today (June 1st/2020) was tough... my vocals were not where I want them, but I pushed through and got them out. I was getting a little frustrated today, I felt like I was getting into the same head space that I was in before I did this challenge, and the ideas weren't coming out as quickly, but once again, powered through those feelings and finished this fuckin song! I did spend a bit more time on it, than the other songs that I've done, but I couldn't take this track any further, and I said fuck it, finished things up, tweaked things here and there, did the vocals, manipulated them a little bit, and song done!! This track is definitely different, but I think I got across what I wanted to!
I've shut everything down for the evening, and will start the next song tomorrow! Overall, despite the difficulties of finishing this track, I finally got to a place where I feel it's done, and I'm just going to leave it the way it is.
Well, I got done what needed to get done today, the process was still fun... and I'm very productive. I will say though, today I was feeling anxious for some reason, not sure why. Like normally, when I pour my morning coffee... and have the first sip, I feel good and relaxed, but today for some reason, before I poured my coffee, I felt anxious today... not sure why... I couldn't really place my finger on it. I'm thinking maybe I feel a little time starved... (there's a reason for that, and I'll let you know why in the future... right now is not the time)... However, even though I felt time starved... I was still productive, and got everything done that needed to get done today!
Once again, I'm really enjoying the process right now, and it truly reminds me of the early days of Twitch, maybe not sound-wise, but definitely in the sequencing and programming kind of way. There was a part of me that felt, for at least part of the creative process today, that I needed to change things up a little bit today, so I cut up and fucked with a drum loop that I was playing with... it definitely payed off! I will say again, I'm really loving the process... and it's forcing me to think about music differently, and really get my ideas out, as they come out! In the future it is very likely that I'll work in this kind of fashion moving forward... sooo inspired!!
I hope you folks are staying safe and doing well!! I know they are starting to open up things where we live, and I know some of you are worried what this is gonna look like... are we gonna be able to remain safe, or is this whole situation gonna get worse... I'm remaining hopeful and positive... but the numbers, ultimately will tell us the tale.
(Darkness... something that I have lived in my whole life, but through darkness, ultimately, you will find light!)
Well, today... didn't go as planned... thought I would have gotten more done, but that's ok... wasn't really sure where to take this piece, so... tomorrow I can come to it from a fresh perspective and fresh new ideas. Although I will say, there was a lot of messing around and shit... trying things here and there, but could only get so far, I've got the basic structure of what I want, it's just all the details inside! Still fun though, and quite honestly when I shut everything down tonight... and stepped away, already had fresh ideas that I want to use for this particular piece, but that's a tomorrow thing.
Overall feeling: Still learning new stuff, and going about things in a way that, for me is highly inspiring and really getting this shit, as it comes out!! Love this!!
Ye, another evening in the studio, lot's of ideas... making a lot of progress... learning so many things right now! I am feeling good about being creative again! The directions this creativity is going is... well... you'll just have to wait to find out! Doing things this way, I think if I can pull this off, will be the new way of doing things! Exciting!! I'm glad I gave this a bit of time to start, the inspiration is different, and what I thought was gonna go one way, has now changed. Although, it is funny, cause if I had started this sooner, rather than doing it now, things have completely changed... although, I do feel time really is a luxury, so in the future, when something wants to come out, I'll let it, but I am thankful I waited a little bit on this!
A little side note: The other evening I had a dream that the lead singer from Dope Stars Inc. was testing me on my cyberpunk knowledge, cause he figured I was becoming a cyberpunk and I had to pass the test, if I didn't, I wasn't a true cyberpunk. I will tell you, lately I've had various feelings about cyberpunk, and dystopia... but I'm not gonna get into that here (will some of this inspiration bleed into what's coming... we'll see...).
Yep, I think that title says it all! It's 2020, matter of fact we are just about halfway through the year... and there should be no excuse! It's time to start your industrial music project!! First of all, let's get into the mentality of it... This year has definitely been rough, we are seeing a pandemic that has essentially stopped the world. Everyone around the world is experiencing a lockdown, or a period of self-isolation of some sorts. I personally have been in self-isolation here in my province in Canada for 2 months... so, what does that mean... First of all, if you were working, and are now not, now is the perfect time to start on your endeavor! Second, time is very short, if we are lucky we might live till we are 100... that actually isn't a lot of time if you think about it... so what better reason do you need to start!
I know some of you folks may not even have the option of purchasing gear right now, as there is no delivery service, or even curbside service. So, what does that mean for musicians, or people who are just starting out, or are considering starting an industrial music project. If you can't order gear, or go pick it up... look at all the options, and resources we have online! I mean, if you have a computer and an internet connection, you are already ahead of the game! There's some software out there, that is capable with the soundcard that already comes with your computer... so, here's a couple that I suggest to get started with, first is:
Jeskola Buzz Tracker: this is a tracker based program and it is Windows based. I personally have used Jeskola Buzz, and have written a couple of albums with it. It comes with built in synths and a tracker style sequencer and all kinds of other stuff! Here's a video about Jeskola Buzz Tracker (*Just a quick note this is an older video from an older version of Jeskola Buzz, but it gives you a general idea of what it is about! This video is also quite comedic!)
You can find a download of the latest version of Jeskola Buzz here! There are all kinds of YouTube tutorials to help you get started with this software or any other music software out there! So if you are stuck, or just want to see more of what these pieces of software are about, YouTube is the resource to find that kind of stuff!!
Audacity: now I personally haven't used Audacity in my own endeavor, but it is another option for at least recording audio and editing or modifying that audio! If you are using Jeskola Buzz Tracker, and you need to do vocals for your tracks... Audacity would be the way to do it! Here's a video about Audacity:
You can download the latest version of Audacity here!
Garageband: now I've only used Garageband very briefly, but if you are a Mac user and looking for something to get you started in your industrial music project, this is the free option that I do believe most Mac's if not all have already loaded onto it. This is basically band in a box, everything is included to get you started, and if you are looking for a relatively affordable upgrade from Garageband for your Mac, Logic Pro is the answer (when it is time to upgrade, and you feel a little more serious about your musical endeavor)! Here's a video about Garageband:
You can find Garageband on most, if not all Mac's, and if you do not have it on your Mac, then go to the App Store and download it (I think even in the App Store it's absolutely free)!
There are also demo versions of some of the pay-for Digital Audio Workstation software out there, but they are usually limited in what they can do... but I'll list a couple that you may find useful:
FL Studio: this is the current software I've been using to write most of my albums these days (although, I have a fully featured version), and I think it is quite excellent software and would recommend eventually getting a full version of it (if you feel this is the right software for you)! You can find a demo trial of it here!
Cockos Reaper: This software I've been using these last few years for running my backing tracks for live shows. This software is fully featured, you can record and sequence and all that kind of shit with it! You can find a demo of it here!
Ableton Live Lite: I've played with the trial version of this software, that's about it! However, Ableton is a great piece of software, and even though it is made for live performance, it is and can be used for recording and sequencing and all that kind of shit! You can find Ableton Live Lite here!
I figured for this blog, I would just suggest the "Free, don't need anything else to get started recording and sequencing software" out there, cause I know some of you folks may not have mail or delivery or really anything available to you... So, I hope that this was helpful and you are now on your way to becoming that underground industrial music artist!
(Twitch: August 26/2016 @ Lord Nelson's Pub, Calgary, Alberta, Canada.)
If you are already an established or even smaller industrial music artist, and you have suggestions as to other free options out there, please leave them in the comments! Anyway, thank you for reading and I may make a small series out of these blogs... we'll see!!
*Note: Just want to make a quick note here, I'm sure you're wondering how to do vocals when you have no way of getting the vocals into the computer, or you don't have a microphone to properly record your vocals. I think I want to stress here, be resourceful. When I wrote my first song, I had no way of recording vocals, I didn't have a mic, but I had these really old pair of headphones, and I thought "Why not plug this into my computer soundcard, and sing through them..?", I didn't know if it would work (these were really old like 1970s headphones), but I plugged them into the back of the soundcard, and sang through the headpieces... and, it fuckin worked, course my vocals came out all distorted and shit, but at least I got them, and it worked for what I was doing! So, nowadays... you might be able to use a shitty pair of headphones, or the headphone mic on your earbuds or whatever... be resourceful. I mean, if your computer has a mic on it, or you have a webcam with a mic, that might be another way of doing it! So... if there is a will, there is a way!!
Finished reading the book "Electri_City" by Rudi Esch... took me a while to get through it, I've been slowly reading it since well... quite some time! "Electri_City" is about the history and birth of electronic music... where it all started and how it shaped future music including techno, electronic music and maybe even industrial, and pop. The book primarily centers around the city Dusseldorf... where Kraftwerk and other bands were birthed, like Neu!, La Dusseldorf, OMD, Propaganda... and all sort of other bands, including a very well known industrial band Die Krupps... which, one of the members (Rudi Esch) actually put together this book! It was very interesting reading it... to find out where electronic music was birthed... and how it evolved... the story is also slightly sad... even though electronic music was birthed in Dusseldorf... it seemed very bleak, and there were a lot of missteps by the bands involved. Granted they came to shape the beginnings of electronic music... but too be quite honest, the impression I got was, there actually wasn't a lot going on in the city... like, yes, very well known bands had came out of that city, but I kinda felt like it was one stumble to the next. I will say though, it was very interesting reading about the gear that these bands had been utilizing, and actually creating on their own, because what was out there, wasn't meeting their needs, so typically bands like Kraftwerk created their own instruments and pieces, or they and other bands modified commercial gear to work with other pieces of gear, so they could get the result they wanted! The book is written in interview style... Rudi Esch recorded interviews with various artists to tell the story of Dusseldorf and how electronic music came to be... then transcribed the audio into text and there you have it. You get to see the story through the eyes of each artist, that was a pioneer in the scene... and it is very conversational! I highly recommend picking up this book to read the history of electronic music, and if you read through to the end, they get into some of the key gear that was used to make the sounds and music of these pioneers! Anyway, as I said... I highly recommend this book! It's interesting to see bands that have had an influence on pop, synthpop, techno... and even industrial!!
Well, as of the last couple of days, I've been listening to the band Keluar! Keluar was the project of Zoe Zanias (vocals, lyrics) and Sid Lamar (music composition, and production)... I guess lately, it's been my current obsession... I'll turn it on at work, I'll listen to it at home... and I can't seem to get enough of it! I just love the way it sounds... I've been pretty much having it on repeat the last couple of days! I'll even turn on their live performance videos and such (I prefer live performances over just studio produced stuff... Aaaand, out of all honesty, I'm really curious what gear they used for their live shows, as it looks quite minimal [Lot’s of live inspiration! We are retiring some pieces and trying to pair down our live kit... to something small and really quick to set-up, but also fun and interesting to play with live too])!
(You can see some of their gear here... so I guess my above question was answered, lol!)
I'm not really sure how to describe their sound, it's definitely darkwave(ish), with elements of EBM and minimal synth, and maybe some industrial elements thrown in there as well! Whenever I hear the various songs, it kind of reminds me of old 80's television... there's an aesthetic to the way it sounds, and the way it is presented... and whenever I listen to it, for some reason I feel like I'm looking at an old 80's TV show or something... not sure if that really describes it very well, but that is what the music evokes in me. Like, a distant memory, but I can't quite place it for some reason... I love their sound because of that! Whenever I see their live performance videos I'm trying to understand what they are getting across, and I feel kinda like they are trying to drive that "distant memory, old 80's TV show" aesthetic... I will be honest, I almost feel they are living in the past, but it's modern times... and maybe that is the point of what they were trying to get across in their videos and performances, they loved that older sound and aesthetic... and that they were trying to live in it... but that's what I get from it, it's not a criticism, just an observation of what I see... Like I said, I love their sound because of the images it evokes in me! I think my favorite song of theirs is "Instinct" off their EP "Panguna", don't know why... just love this song! Love the way it sounds, love the "distant memory that I can't place" feeling I get from it!
(Instinct)
(Surface)
What do you folks think of Keluar? What images and feelings does the music evoke in you?
Well, here's a band I've been into since my mid teens... I think the first album I heard of their's was "Cleansing", of course the first song I heard was "Snap Your Fingers, Snap Your Neck", matter of fact, I probably saw the video for "Snap Your Fingers, Snap Your Neck" before actually listening to the album. The one thing I noticed and remembered from this album, is they really had a semi-thrash kind of sound mixed with a darker feel. Something I didn't realize until my adult years, was that Prong, maybe not in their early days, was influenced by darker, industrial sounds... they started to add samples and synths and such to their albums (around the "Prove You Wrong" era), and the "Cleansing" album was definitely influenced by industrial metal (I loved this album as a teenager)... and then they would carry on and go deeper into the dark angsty industrial metal sound with their album "Rude Awakening" which is probably my favorite album by them. I just love the way it sounds... so dissonant and so bleak. The main man, Tommy Victor (vocals and guitars) would end up working with Danzig as a live guitarist, and eventually as a co-writer on an album (You can see him in the Danzig video "Sacrifice"), Tommy Victor would also end up falling into the Ministry camp with Al Jourgensen as a live guitarist as well as a co-writer on "Rio Grande Blood" and "The Last Sucker".
(Who's Fist Is This Anyway?)
Why do I like Prong..? They've always been on the periphery of industrial music, and Tommy Victor has influenced a lot of bands in the scene... granted they may not be the most popular band in the industrial scene... but they've always kinda been doing something in the background, whether it was releasing their own albums, or Tommy playing roles in Danzig, or Ministry... they were even influenced by post-punk band Killing Joke... I know a lot of folks may not consider them a part of our scene, but I really do think they belong there at least as a crossover band... like I said, they've always been on the periphery. They've even influenced our own sound in the past... I love their guitars, not really sure how to describe them... they're kind of dissonant, and when you hear a Prong song, you know it's Prong, just for the sheer fact that they kind of have their own sound, and Tommy Victor's trademark vocals! Yeah, even though Prong is more on the industrial music periphery, and they are more of a crossover band, I do like their sound and darkness!
(Snap Your Fingers, Snap Your Neck)
Would you fit Prong in the scene? Where do they land on your periphery?
